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== Logo ==
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This page is for discussions related specifically to ''the wiki front page itself''. If your comment relates to the wiki in general — such as plans, policy, questions about what content is appropriate etc — please use [[Talk:Meta:Community Portal]] instead.
   
 
[[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 04:33, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't like the old logo for this and replaced it with the girl in robotux, I hope that's ok. I think it sends a nicer message :) [[User:Piawaugh|Piawaugh]] 21:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
: Works for me! --[[User:Skud|Skud]] 02:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Uh, as far as I am aware, that logo is (a) copyright Valerie Aurora Henson and (b) only licenced by Val for use in LinuxChix circumstances, see http://www.linuxchix.org/linuxchix-logo.html I don't see that we can use it here without her express permission. And even if we did I am not sure LinuxChix would be thrilled (it's their logo after all, not a multipurpose women-geek logo), although their displeasure doesn't have legal force that I'm aware of. I'll check in with Val. [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 06:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:: For reference the old logo was [[:Image:Whack.gif]] [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 06:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:: I've checked with Val, and she has released it CC BY-SA. So that angle is sorted. I will update the image upload. [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 03:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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Maybe we need some kind of Village Pump (Wikipedia equivalent) for general site discussions? Meanwhile, I'll stick a potential topic here: the old "I don't see gender"/"aren't you the sexists here, saying women want different things from men?" etc etc angle. Or is that too Feminism 101? Can we come up with a geek specific aspect to it? (FLOSSPOLS did describe the geek mindset as particularly individualistic and skeptical of claims that individuals are influenced by culture.) [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 07:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 
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: Re: a forum, yes, I think the time has come. Wikia has some facilities for setting up forums here. I'll see to it. One of the things I think we need to do in relation to that is change the "welcome" message that comes out, laying out guidelines etc. I'll see what I can come up with and let you know. Re: common myths, yeah, maybe a [[Myths]] page? I don't think it's too 101 at all, though I do think that links to the "finally, a feminism 101 blog" would be appropriate. It would be easy to give geek examples for the most common myths. --[[User:Skud|Skud]] 19:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 
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:: Forums: IMHO, having tried them out a bit, the forums are a PITA and I don't like them. I vote we use the Community Portal's "Talk" page for general discussions. We can archive off threads onto their own pages as they need it. --[[User:Skud|Skud]] 19:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Concerns ==
 
 
''The discussion here (excerpt: "... the geek feminism wiki ... feels like someone is tying a rope to the past and present to make it harder to move forward.") is a [[Feminism 101 discussions|101 discussion]] and has been moved to [[User talk:84.74.106.21]]'' [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 10:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Cleaning up the Gaming Section ==
 
Question. Should I sit down and make a cleaner Gaming section? Stick a larger gaming splash page and then link to the existing other pages? [[User:Koipond|Koipond]] 05:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Not sure what you mean by a splash page (in this context)? Do you mean a big image somehow? Or something else? [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 10:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:: Just a page where you can find gaming in general and then go off into the various areas like Video Gaming, Roleplaying, etc. [[User:Koipond|Koipond]] 09:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::: Seems like a good idea. [[User:Thayvian|Thayvian]] 06:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::: Awesome. I shall endeavour to get on that. [[User:Koipond|Koipond]] 09:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Moving off Wikia ==
 
 
To Skud: I know you have been approached about this; puzzlement told me that you're opposed, primarily due to spam protection concerns, but I think that this deserves an open discussion and we're better off leaving Wikia. My primary concerns are intrusive ads in the content area, bloat with useless "features" that actively impede usability, and the streamrolling nature of the changes Wikia makes, over the heads of the users and admins of its hosted wikis.
 
 
Soon, Wikia is going to roll out a New and Improved skin with even less content space and even more space reserved for clutter. You can see how this very page will look [http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Geek_Feminism_Wiki&useskin=wikia here]. In short, it's eye-searing. Weird choices of colors, large icons in different places, useless "social" cruft that belongs to a site like Facebook more than an informative wiki, fixed width and a huge sidebar that squeezes the actual content into teeny-tiny space.
 
 
The [[wikia:c:community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance|Anti-Wikia Alliance]] page maintains a list of alternatives and a list of wikis that have switched or plan to switch. [[wikia:c:community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/declaration_of_independence|This page]] lists more reasons to drop Wikia like a hot potato.
 
 
Spam protection ''is'' a concern, but it's manageable. There are different possible options. [http://shoutwiki.com Shoutwiki] is a leaner, meaner alternative to Wikia; it has some of the same drawbacks as Wikia (namely, ads and a subdomain), but at least it doesn't force a custom bloated skin and uses Monobook (still customizable with CSS). For spam protection, they [http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ShoutWiki_features#Anti-spam_measures have CAPTCHAs and a hidden input field]. Their technical support stuff also gives me the impression of being friendlier and less uptight than Wikia's.
 
 
Another wiki farm worth looking at is Wikkii, which provides a [http://wikkii.com/wiki/FAQ comparable service].
 
 
Yet another option would be hosting a MediaWiki installation on geekfeminism.org. That would require us to install anti-spam tools ourselves, but it's completely doable, and there are many owners of standalone MediaWiki sites to ask for help with setting those measures up.
 
 
One drawback that I see is that the Wikia-hosted site will remain here, and will outrank the new one in search engines, at least for now. At least on geekfeminism.org, links can be updated everywhere to point to the new wiki. - [[User:Sikon|Sikon]] 09:13, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Sophie here from the #gf IRC channel. I don't think self-hosting will have too many problems with spam - on all the wikis I've hosted, defeating spambots is as easy as making sure that it's only editable by registered users with *verified* email addresses. (Or, as MediaWiki puts it, "authenticated" email addresses.) Of course, I understand that that won't allow for unregistered editing like this comment itself, so, hmm. --[[Special:Contributions/86.153.155.239|86.153.155.239]] 12:34, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
* I already maintain (spottily) several MediaWiki installs and would rather not have yet another to keep healthy. This wiki's already in place and the ads or colors don't seem too intrusive to me. - Liz H.
 

Latest revision as of 19:48, 30 July 2015

What this page is for

This page is for discussions related specifically to the wiki front page itself. If your comment relates to the wiki in general — such as plans, policy, questions about what content is appropriate etc — please use Talk:Meta:Community Portal instead.

Thayvian 04:33, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

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