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This web page is for male allies who would like to know how to respond when they encounter a sexist incident. This page is not for discussion of what women can do to respond to a sexist incident.
 
This web page is for male allies who would like to know how to respond when they encounter a sexist incident. This page is not for discussion of what women can do to respond to a sexist incident.
   
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===Video of first run of workshop===
Notes during the session: http://pad.cc.com.au/allies-training
 
   
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This is an unedited live video of the first presentation of this workshop, warts and all. Please use the wiki as the authoritative version and excuse the mistakes and errors in the video.
   
Video - http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4736083/
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http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4736083/
   
 
===Basic principles===
 
===Basic principles===
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==Role playing examples==
 
==Role playing examples==
   
Take each of these examples and get volunteers to play the roles. Each scenario includes the roles to be played and the set-up script. Some example responses are listed afterwards. Replay the scenario a few times with different responses. (Responses marked "Funny" are included for comic relief only, not recommended as actual real-world responses.)
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Take each of these examples and get volunteers to play the roles. Each scenario includes the roles to be played and the set-up script. Some example responses are listed afterwards. Replay the scenario a few times with different responses. (Responses marked "Funny" are included for comic and not necessarily recommended as actual real-world responses. Use at your own risk.)
   
 
Note: All of these scenarios are taken directly from real-world examples, frequently word-for-word.
 
Note: All of these scenarios are taken directly from real-world examples, frequently word-for-word.
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* Bad: Uncomfortable silence
 
* Bad: Uncomfortable silence
 
* Bad: Sneer, look down your nose, and turn away
 
* Bad: Sneer, look down your nose, and turn away
* Bad: Panic
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* Funny: Panic
 
* Bad: Close the circle to prevent her joining the conversation.
 
* Bad: Close the circle to prevent her joining the conversation.
* Good: Smile and say, "Hello, I'm $NAME."
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* Good: Smile and say, "Hello, my name's $NAME."
 
* Good: "How are you enjoying the conference?"
 
* Good: "How are you enjoying the conference?"
* Good: "Hey - cool T-shirt"
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* Good: "Hey - cool T-shirt!"
 
* Good: "Hi - where are you from?"
 
* Good: "Hi - where are you from?"
* Good: "
 
* Funny: ???
 
 
 
Better response: Hi, my name's ... how are you enjoying the conference?
 
   
 
===Scenario: [http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/07/oscon-standing-out-in-the-crow.html#comment-2069075 Booth babes are necessary to business]===
 
===Scenario: [http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/07/oscon-standing-out-in-the-crow.html#comment-2069075 Booth babes are necessary to business]===
   
Roles: 1 booth babe proponent, 1+ male allies
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Roles: 1 booth babe proponent, 1 or more male allies
   
 
Set-up: Booth babe proponent says, "I have to hire booth babes. Men like it and I'll go out of business if I don't."
 
Set-up: Booth babe proponent says, "I have to hire booth babes. Men like it and I'll go out of business if I don't."
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Responses:
 
Responses:
   
* Bad: Silence
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* Bad: Silence.
* Bad: "Actually, I don't mind but other people might."
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* Bad: "Actually, I don't mind booth babes but other people might."
 
* Good: "Hiring booth babes make me LESS likely to give you my business."
 
* Good: "Hiring booth babes make me LESS likely to give you my business."
 
* Funny: "You are all the booth babe I need!"
 
* Funny: "You are all the booth babe I need!"
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* Bad: Make a joke at the expense of homosexuality or transgender people. You can't fight sexism with homophobia or transphobia!
   
 
===Scenario: [http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/SLUG_Christmas_card_talk Pornographic presentation]===
 
===Scenario: [http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/SLUG_Christmas_card_talk Pornographic presentation]===
   
Roles: 3+ audience, 1 presenter
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Roles: 3 or more audience, 1 presenter
   
Set-up: A presenter asks for a show of hands of people who will be offended if they show a pornographic slide
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Set-up: A presenter asks for a show of hands of people who will be offended if they show a pornographic slide.
   
 
Responses:
 
Responses:
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* Good: Walk out
 
* Good: Walk out
 
* Good: Raise your hand, "If you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't do it."
 
* Good: Raise your hand, "If you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't do it."
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* Good: Find an organizer and tell them about it immediately.
 
* Best: Stop the presentation (if you are the organizer)
 
* Best: Stop the presentation (if you are the organizer)
 
* Funny: Run up to the stage and knee him in the groin
 
* Funny: Run up to the stage and knee him in the groin
 
* Good: If you have a policy prohibiting porn in slides: "That contravenes the conference policy - so no. Thanks for asking."
 
* Bad: Don't use the same tactics in reverse: pictures of naked men, or propose sexual harassment of men. It's neither equivalent nor just.
   
 
===Scenario: Comments about a woman's appearance===
 
===Scenario: Comments about a woman's appearance===
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Roles: One commenter, one ally
 
Roles: One commenter, one ally
   
Set-up: One man says, "She sure is ugly/pretty" (take your pick, both are bad)
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Set-up: One man says, "She sure is ugly/pretty" (take your pick, both are [http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Objectification objectification]).
   
 
Responses:
 
Responses:
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* Bad: "Yeah, but $WOMAN sure is hot!"
 
* Bad: "Yeah, but $WOMAN sure is hot!"
 
* Good: "If we're going to discuss the sexiness of open source people, I'm going to go over here now." (But - you cede your control of the following conversation)
 
* Good: "If we're going to discuss the sexiness of open source people, I'm going to go over here now." (But - you cede your control of the following conversation)
* Funny: "You're no beauty contest winner yourself."
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* Funny: "You're no beauty contest winner yourself."
* Good: I don't think that's very polite.
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* Good: "I don't think that's very polite."
 
* Good: "I don't think that's really relevant. What is she working on?"
* She's a brilliant hacker - fixed some serious issues in the $project
 
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* Good: Change the subject to something else, don't participate.
* Who cares. She's brilliant, and your stupid.
 
 
* Funny: "This is a beauty pageant? I thought we were at a Linux conference."
* Good: I don't think that's really relevant. Do you know what she's working on?
 
 
* Good: "Yeah - that's $NAME, she's a friend of mine and I don't think she'd appreciate being objectified like that."
* Good: change the conversation
 
* I'm sorry - I thought we were at a linux conference?
 
* Good: this is a beauty pagent? I thought we were at a Linux conference?
 
* Yeah - that's $name, she's a friend of mine and I don't think she'd appreciate being objectified in that way.
 
* Please don't speak about women like that, it's rude.
 
   
 
===Scenario: Sexual advances/comments on a public IRC channel===
 
===Scenario: Sexual advances/comments on a public IRC channel===
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* Bad: "And make sure it's a good photo!"
 
* Bad: "And make sure it's a good photo!"
 
* Good: "This isn't a place to pick up women."
 
* Good: "This isn't a place to pick up women."
* Good: Report the log to server ops
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* Good: Report the log to server ops.
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* Good: You are the server op! Ban/kick the person immediately.
* Funny: ???
 
* ban/kick
 
   
 
===Scenario: Someone belittles a woman's technical ability===
 
===Scenario: Someone belittles a woman's technical ability===
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* Bad: "Like she would have a boyfriend!"
 
* Bad: "Like she would have a boyfriend!"
* Bad: "Yes, she did! Let me find you links to her patches."
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* Bad (engaging the wrong way): "Yes, she did! Let me waste the next 5 minutes finding you links to her patches which you will then ignore."
* Good: "It's offensive to even suggest that."
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* Good: "It's offensive to even suggest that. Go away."
* Funny: "If so, then she was doing her boyfriend's homework for him."
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* Funny: "Actually, she was doing her boyfriend's homework for him."
   
 
===Scenario: Challenging a woman's technical ability===
 
===Scenario: Challenging a woman's technical ability===
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Set-up: Man asks, "What do you do?" Woman says, "Oh, I'm a Linux developer." Man gets skeptical look, "Oh? Well, what did you write, exactly?" (Note: this is different from "What are you working on?" which assumes you are what you say, rather than asking you to prove your claim through example.)
 
Set-up: Man asks, "What do you do?" Woman says, "Oh, I'm a Linux developer." Man gets skeptical look, "Oh? Well, what did you write, exactly?" (Note: this is different from "What are you working on?" which assumes you are what you say, rather than asking you to prove your claim through example.)
   
* Bad: Expectant silence
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* Bad: Expectant silence.
* Good: "Oh, are we exchanging resumes now?"
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* Good/Funny: "Oh, are we exchanging resumes now? No one told me we were going to do this, I didn't bring mine."
* Good: "Oh, Yeah lots of stuff. How do you contribute to FOSS?"
 
* Funny: ???
 
 
 
=== Notes from etherpad ===
 
 
These are the raw notes from etherpad - I have copied some of the responses above, but not all. I'm being kicked out of the room now, and will come back to this later.
 
 
Once everything has been copied above, these notes will be deleted. http://pad.cc.com.au/allies-training
 
 
The scenarios are all here:
 
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Allies_training
 
 
Men have magic man sparkles
 
 
- they are heard... so let's get them to speak up.
 
 
It's not women's job to fix sexist behaviour - [it's everyone's] let's focus on what guys can do.
 
 
1. Woman walks up to group at a conference
 
Responses:
 
 
* man asks: Hi - are you here for the partners' program? (happened this morning)
 
* group closes to deny her any conversation
 
* man takes a photo (rare event?)
 
* PANIC (run away and/or stare blankly)
 
 
Better response: Hi, my name's ... how are you enjoying the conference?
 
 
2. Set-up: Booth babe proponent says, "I have to hire booth babes. Men like it and I'll go out of business if I don't."
 
Responses:
 
 
* Bad: Silence
 
* Bad: "Actually, I don't mind but other people might."
 
* Good: "Hiring booth babes make me LESS likely to give you my business."
 
* Funny: "You are all the booth babe I need!"
 
 
Other responses?
 
 
* Only if we can have "slave boys"
 
* If we have to have booth babes, can we at least have transvestites?
 
* BAD: (Don't make fun of transvestites or trans* people in order to make a point about sexism :-( )
 
* BAD: Also no shaming on homophobia: eg "how would you [straight guy] feel about hot boys... ew gay!" <- NOT COOL
 
 
Important note: Don't use sexuality or 'otherness' to shame people.
 
 
We can only have booth babes, if we can also have oil slicked slave boys. [I think Donna noted this when she brought it up, but some people interpret this as "hot girls are OK if there are hot boys too"... which... probably isn't true.]
 
If we have to have booth babes can we have transvestites? [this is highly inappropriate and transphobic]
 
 
Also note: a woman (any woman) at a booth is not necessarily a booth babe. Even if she's attractively dressed.
 
 
 
3. Set-up: A presenter asks for a show of hands of people who will be offended if they show a pornographic slide
 
Responses:
 
 
* Bad: Do nothing
 
* Good: Walk out
 
* Good: Raise your hand, "If you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't do it."
 
* Best: Stop the presentation (if you are the organizer)
 
* Funny: Run up to the stage and knee him in the groin
 
* Tell the organisers if they're not present (or haven't done anything).
 
* Are there children present? Is this appropriate?
 
* I can't dictate what you put in your slides, but I can tell you - you won't be welcome back at this event.
 
* Nerf gun/water gun
 
* You won't be invited back (until after apology?)
 
* That contravenes our policy - so no. Thanks for asking.
 
* Bad: Don't use the same tactics in reverse: pictures of naked men, or propose sexual harassment of men.
 
 
 
How do we deal with the 'free speechers' or the 'cultural exceptions' arguments. "Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences." Reputations and standards.
 
 
Good question: What about gender bias language in talks and papers? (jason white)
 
 
* Just flip the usual arrangement: when everyone else is doing it too, you can go back to 50/50
 
* Jacinta said: make sure to use women as the TECHNICAL person, not the clueless newbie example.
 
 
Set-up: Person with feminine-sounding nick joins an IRC channel. Another user says, "Are you hot? Send us pics!"
 
Responses:
 
 
* Bad: "And make sure it's a good photo!"
 
* Good: "This isn't a place to pick up women."
 
* Good: Report the log to server ops
 
* Funny: ???
 
* ban/kick
 
 
 
Set-up: One man says, "She sure is ugly/pretty" (take your pick, both are bad)
 
Responses:
 
 
* Bad: "Yeah, but $WOMAN sure is hot!"
 
* Good: I don't think that's really relevant. Do you know what she's working on?
 
* Good: "If we're going to discuss the sexiness of open source people, I'm going to go over here now." (But - you cede your control of the following conversation)
 
* Funny: "You're no beauty contest winner yourself."
 
* Good: I don't think that's very polite.
 
* She's a brilliant hacker - fixed some serious issues in the $project
 
* Who cares. She's brilliant, and your stupid.
 
* Good: change the conversation
 
* I'm sorry - I thought we were at a linux conference?
 
* Good: this is a beauty pagent? I thought we were at a Linux conference?
 
* Yeah - that's $name, she's a friend of mine and I don't think she'd appreciate being objectified in that way.
 
* Please don't speak about women like that, it's rude.
 
 
 
When do you say "I don't like that" vs "That's not ok" ? When you have power, use the latter.
 
   
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===General notes on responding===
With response: I know a woman and she's okay with it, reply: women are different, we have different opinions.
 
   
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Don't try to fight sexism by making a homophobic or transphobic joke. It's wrong, and it's self-defeating. We're not going to win respect and equality for women by attacking homosexuality and transgender folks. See [[Good sexism comebacks]] and [[Bad sexism comebacks]].
You don't have to fight every battle. It's too exhausting. "Lots of people singing one note, so we can all take a breath from time to time."
 
Remind otherwise pro-women speakers not to say "chick", "when you say chick, even when you aren't talking to me, you make me feel like I'm different".
 
   
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When do you say "I don't like that," (my personal opinion is) vs. "That's not okay" (that is morally wrong)? When you have authority or power in the situation, use "That's not okay." When all you control is yourself, use "I don't like that."
Set up:
 
Hi, Im valerie I'm a linux kernel developer
 
Really? So what did you write?
 
   
 
How to respond to, "I know a woman and she's okay with it, what's your problem?" Reply: "Women are different, we have different opinions."
* Oh, Yeah lots of stuff. How do you contribute to FOSS?
 

Revision as of 01:42, 16 May 2011

Often, when a sexist incident happens, we are so busy being gobsmacked that we can't react quickly. Sometimes days can go by before we figure out what to do.

This web page is for male allies who would like to know how to respond when they encounter a sexist incident. This page is not for discussion of what women can do to respond to a sexist incident.

Video of first run of workshop

This is an unedited live video of the first presentation of this workshop, warts and all. Please use the wiki as the authoritative version and excuse the mistakes and errors in the video.

http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4736083/

Basic principles

The first rule of thumb is: Pick your battles. If you don't respond to every sexist comment you hear, that doesn't make you evil, just human. The second rule is: Don't battle. State your opinion once, correct any factual errors or true misunderstandings, and then change the subject or leave the conversation. Next, practice your responses. Role-playing according to the scripts below is one way to practice. Another is to read stories about previous incidents. Pick a few catch phrases you like and practice saying them until they come automatically. Some options:

  • "That's pretty rude."
  • "Please don't say those things around me."
  • "I'm offended by that."
  • (Your phrase here)

See Good sexism comebacks and Bad sexism comebacks.

If you have power - such as being list moderator, project leader, conference organizer, LUG president, IRC ops, or funding coordinator - don't be afraid to use it to fight sexism. Many of us are used to having little or no influence and don't immediately think of using it. If you don't have any particular power in a situation, express your opinion to someone who does. In some case, just making a public report is the best thing you can do. And remember, you always have the power of being male. Automatically, your protest is several times more effective than that coming from any woman.

Role playing examples

Take each of these examples and get volunteers to play the roles. Each scenario includes the roles to be played and the set-up script. Some example responses are listed afterwards. Replay the scenario a few times with different responses. (Responses marked "Funny" are included for comic and not necessarily recommended as actual real-world responses. Use at your own risk.)

Note: All of these scenarios are taken directly from real-world examples, frequently word-for-word.

Scenario: A woman walks up to your group at a conference

Roles: 3+ men in a circle chatting, woman standing to the side

Set-up: The woman walks up to the group of men and waits, smiling.

Responses:

  • Bad: "How do you like the partners' programme?"
  • Bad: Uncomfortable silence
  • Bad: Sneer, look down your nose, and turn away
  • Funny: Panic
  • Bad: Close the circle to prevent her joining the conversation.
  • Good: Smile and say, "Hello, my name's $NAME."
  • Good: "How are you enjoying the conference?"
  • Good: "Hey - cool T-shirt!"
  • Good: "Hi - where are you from?"

Scenario: Booth babes are necessary to business

Roles: 1 booth babe proponent, 1 or more male allies

Set-up: Booth babe proponent says, "I have to hire booth babes. Men like it and I'll go out of business if I don't."

Responses:

  • Bad: Silence.
  • Bad: "Actually, I don't mind booth babes but other people might."
  • Good: "Hiring booth babes make me LESS likely to give you my business."
  • Funny: "You are all the booth babe I need!"
  • Bad: Make a joke at the expense of homosexuality or transgender people. You can't fight sexism with homophobia or transphobia!

Scenario: Pornographic presentation

Roles: 3 or more audience, 1 presenter

Set-up: A presenter asks for a show of hands of people who will be offended if they show a pornographic slide.

Responses:

  • Bad: Do nothing
  • Good: Walk out
  • Good: Raise your hand, "If you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't do it."
  • Good: Find an organizer and tell them about it immediately.
  • Best: Stop the presentation (if you are the organizer)
  • Funny: Run up to the stage and knee him in the groin
  • Good: If you have a policy prohibiting porn in slides: "That contravenes the conference policy - so no. Thanks for asking."
  • Bad: Don't use the same tactics in reverse: pictures of naked men, or propose sexual harassment of men. It's neither equivalent nor just.

Scenario: Comments about a woman's appearance

Roles: One commenter, one ally

Set-up: One man says, "She sure is ugly/pretty" (take your pick, both are objectification).

Responses:

  • Bad: "Yeah, but $WOMAN sure is hot!"
  • Good: "If we're going to discuss the sexiness of open source people, I'm going to go over here now." (But - you cede your control of the following conversation)
  • Funny: "You're no beauty contest winner yourself."
  • Good: "I don't think that's very polite."
  • Good: "I don't think that's really relevant. What is she working on?"
  • Good: Change the subject to something else, don't participate.
  • Funny: "This is a beauty pageant? I thought we were at a Linux conference."
  • Good: "Yeah - that's $NAME, she's a friend of mine and I don't think she'd appreciate being objectified like that."

Scenario: Sexual advances/comments on a public IRC channel

Roles: One harasser, one ally, one woman

Set-up: Person with feminine-sounding nick joins an IRC channel. Another user says, "Are you hot? Send us pics!"

Responses:

  • Bad: "And make sure it's a good photo!"
  • Good: "This isn't a place to pick up women."
  • Good: Report the log to server ops.
  • Good: You are the server op! Ban/kick the person immediately.

Scenario: Someone belittles a woman's technical ability

Roles: One harasser, one ally

Set-up: A woman's work comes up on an IRC channel. Someone says, "Did her boyfriend write that?"

  • Bad: "Like she would have a boyfriend!"
  • Bad (engaging the wrong way): "Yes, she did! Let me waste the next 5 minutes finding you links to her patches which you will then ignore."
  • Good: "It's offensive to even suggest that. Go away."
  • Funny: "Actually, she was doing her boyfriend's homework for him."

Scenario: Challenging a woman's technical ability

Roles: One harasser, one woman, one ally

Set-up: Man asks, "What do you do?" Woman says, "Oh, I'm a Linux developer." Man gets skeptical look, "Oh? Well, what did you write, exactly?" (Note: this is different from "What are you working on?" which assumes you are what you say, rather than asking you to prove your claim through example.)

  • Bad: Expectant silence.
  • Good/Funny: "Oh, are we exchanging resumes now? No one told me we were going to do this, I didn't bring mine."

General notes on responding

Don't try to fight sexism by making a homophobic or transphobic joke. It's wrong, and it's self-defeating. We're not going to win respect and equality for women by attacking homosexuality and transgender folks. See Good sexism comebacks and Bad sexism comebacks.

When do you say "I don't like that," (my personal opinion is) vs. "That's not okay" (that is morally wrong)? When you have authority or power in the situation, use "That's not okay." When all you control is yourself, use "I don't like that."

How to respond to, "I know a woman and she's okay with it, what's your problem?" Reply: "Women are different, we have different opinions."